diff --git a/config/x11.toml b/config/x11.toml
index 06de655f..026c34c4 100644
--- a/config/x11.toml
+++ b/config/x11.toml
@@ -16,9 +16,9 @@ dbus = {}
 gtk3 = {}
 mate-common = {}
 mesa-demos-x11 = {}
+#firefox = {}
 #webkitgtk3 = {} # not compiling
-#xfce4-panel = {}
-#xfwm4 = {}
+xfce4-common = {}
 x11-full = {}
 zenity = {}
 
@@ -59,6 +59,28 @@ requires_weak 10_dbus 10_xenv 20_audiod.service
 nowait BROWSER=/bin/netsurf-fb VT=3 orbital orbital-x11
 """
 
+[[files]]
+path = "/run/user/0"
+data = ""
+directory = true
+mode = 0o700
+
+[[files]]
+path = "/home/root/.config/dconf"
+data = ""
+directory = true
+
+[[files]]
+path = "/home/root/Desktop"
+data = ""
+directory = true
+
+
+[[files]]
+path = "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+data = ""
+directory = true
+
 [[files]]
 path = "/usr/bin/orbital-x11"
 mode = 0o755
@@ -70,11 +92,12 @@ set -ex
 # for ice authority and pixbuf
 export HOME=/home/root
 export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share
+export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/0
+export XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/root/.config
 
 # Generate config file
 WIDTH="$((0x$(grep FRAMEBUFFER_WIDTH /scheme/sys/env | cut -d '=' -f 2)))"
 HEIGHT="$((0x$(grep FRAMEBUFFER_HEIGHT /scheme/sys/env | cut -d '=' -f 2)))"
-mkdir -p /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
 cat > /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/orbital.conf <<EOF
 Section "Device"
     Identifier  "Configured Video Device"
@@ -105,22 +128,40 @@ EOF
 export DISPLAY=":0"
 X "${DISPLAY}" &
 sleep 1
-exec dbus-launch --exit-with-x11 orbital-x11-session
+exec dbus-launch --exit-with-x11 xfce4-x11-session
 """
 
 [[files]]
-path = "/usr/bin/orbital-x11-session"
+path = "/usr/bin/mate-x11-session"
 mode = 0o755
 data = """
 #!/usr/bin/env bash
-
 set -ex
 
+gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache
+/usr/libexec/dconf-service &
+
 xterm&
-sleep 1
+#zenity --info --text="running mate as $(id)!"
+#exec marco
+exec mate-session
+"""
+
+
+[[files]]
+path = "/usr/bin/xfce4-x11-session"
+mode = 0o755
+data = """
+#!/usr/bin/env bash
+set -ex
 
 gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache
-mate-session&
+/usr/lib/xfce4/xfconf/xfconfd &
+
+xterm&
+#zenity --info --text="running xfce4 as $(id)!"
+#exec xfwm4
+exec xfce4-session
 """
 
 
diff --git a/config/x86_64/ci.toml b/config/x86_64/ci.toml
index 07cb5392..3ec0e5ad 100644
--- a/config/x86_64/ci.toml
+++ b/config/x86_64/ci.toml
@@ -22,6 +22,7 @@ mate-common = {}
 redox-tests = {}
 x11-minimal = {}
 x11-full = {}
+xfce4-common = {}
 
 # Normal packages below
 
diff --git a/recipes/groups/mate-common/recipe.toml b/recipes/groups/mate-common/recipe.toml
index 5861faef..3d71a626 100644
--- a/recipes/groups/mate-common/recipe.toml
+++ b/recipes/groups/mate-common/recipe.toml
@@ -1,6 +1,7 @@
 [package]
 dependencies = [
     "caja",
+    "dconf",
     "marco",
     "mate-control-center",
     "mate-icon-theme",
@@ -8,4 +9,5 @@ dependencies = [
     "mate-session-manager",
     "mate-settings-daemon",
     "mate-terminal",
+    "mate-themes",
 ]
diff --git a/recipes/groups/xfce4-common/recipe.toml b/recipes/groups/xfce4-common/recipe.toml
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..85f5bd68
--- /dev/null
+++ b/recipes/groups/xfce4-common/recipe.toml
@@ -0,0 +1,10 @@
+[package]
+dependencies = [
+    "thunar",
+    "xfconf",
+    "xfdesktop",
+    "xfce4-session",
+    "xfce4-panel",
+    "xfce4-settings",
+    "xfwm4",
+]
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/mate/mate-session-manager/recipe.toml b/recipes/wip/x11/mate/mate-session-manager/recipe.toml
index 9ac7ebc9..d021c023 100644
--- a/recipes/wip/x11/mate/mate-session-manager/recipe.toml
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/mate/mate-session-manager/recipe.toml
@@ -1,6 +1,7 @@
 [source]
 tar = "https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-session-manager/releases/download/v1.28.0/mate-session-manager-1.28.0.tar.xz"
 blake3 = "c76fd3064f4697180006cc2562a0ac55ddfa40b4029047f58c8dcc790606a9a6"
+patches = ["redox.patch"]
 script = """
 autotools_recursive_regenerate
 """
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/mate/mate-session-manager/redox.patch b/recipes/wip/x11/mate/mate-session-manager/redox.patch
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..b43b54af
--- /dev/null
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/mate/mate-session-manager/redox.patch
@@ -0,0 +1,24 @@
+diff -ruwN source/data/org.mate.session.gschema.xml.in source-new/data/org.mate.session.gschema.xml.in
+--- source/data/org.mate.session.gschema.xml.in	2024-02-17 00:25:07.000000000 +0700
++++ source-new/data/org.mate.session.gschema.xml.in	2026-05-21 23:05:41.642620533 +0700
+@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@
+       <description>List of applications that are part of the default session.</description>
+     </key>
+     <key name="required-components-list" type="as">
+-      <default>[ 'windowmanager', 'panel', 'filemanager', 'dock' ]</default>
++      <default>[ 'windowmanager', 'panel', 'filemanager' ]</default>
+       <summary>Required session components</summary>
+       <description>List of components that are required as part of the session. (Each element names a key under "/org/mate/desktop/session/required_components"). The Startup Applications preferences tool will not normally allow users to remove a required component from the session, and the session manager will automatically add the required components back to the session at login time if they do get removed.</description>
+     </key>
+diff -ruwN source/mate-session/gsm-manager.c source-new/mate-session/gsm-manager.c
+--- source/mate-session/gsm-manager.c	2024-02-17 00:25:07.000000000 +0700
++++ source-new/mate-session/gsm-manager.c	2026-05-21 21:13:01.539990071 +0700
+@@ -70,7 +70,7 @@
+ #define GSM_MANAGER_DBUS_PATH "/org/gnome/SessionManager"
+ #define GSM_MANAGER_DBUS_NAME "org.gnome.SessionManager"
+ 
+-#define GSM_MANAGER_PHASE_TIMEOUT 30 /* seconds */
++#define GSM_MANAGER_PHASE_TIMEOUT 5 /* seconds */
+ 
+ /* In the exit phase, all apps were already given the chance to inhibit the session end
+  * At that stage we don't want to wait much for apps to respond, we want to exit, and fast.
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/mate/mate-themes/recipe.toml b/recipes/wip/x11/mate/mate-themes/recipe.toml
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..c8a7b2ba
--- /dev/null
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/mate/mate-themes/recipe.toml
@@ -0,0 +1,10 @@
+[source]
+git = "https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-themes"
+shallow_clone = true
+
+[build]
+template = "custom"
+script = """
+mkdir -p ${COOKBOOK_STAGE}/usr/share/themes/
+rsync -a ${COOKBOOK_SOURCE}/desktop-themes/ ${COOKBOOK_STAGE}/usr/share/themes/
+"""
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/libexo/recipe.toml b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/libexo/recipe.toml
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..4c1017a0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/libexo/recipe.toml
@@ -0,0 +1,15 @@
+[source]
+tar = "https://archive.xfce.org/src/xfce/exo/4.21/exo-4.21.0.tar.bz2"
+[build]
+dependencies = [
+    "atk",
+    "cairo",
+    "gdk-pixbuf",
+    "gettext",
+    "glib",
+    "gtk3",
+    "libxfce4ui",
+    "libxfce4util",
+]
+template = "configure"
+
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/thunar/recipe.toml b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/thunar/recipe.toml
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..aa40985f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/thunar/recipe.toml
@@ -0,0 +1,29 @@
+[source]
+tar = "https://archive.xfce.org/src/xfce/thunar/4.21/thunar-4.21.5.tar.xz"
+[build]
+dependencies = [
+    "atk",
+    "cairo",
+    "gdk-pixbuf",
+    "gettext",
+    "glib",
+    "gtk3",
+    "libice",
+    "libnotify",
+    "libx11",
+    "libxfce4ui",
+    "libxfce4util",
+    "pango",
+    "pcre2",
+    "vte",
+    "xfconf",
+]
+dev-dependencies = [
+    "libstdcxx"
+]
+template = "meson"
+mesonflags = [
+    "-Dpolkit=disabled",
+    "-Dgudev=disabled",
+    "-Dintrospection=false"
+]
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-panel/recipe.toml b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-panel/recipe.toml
index fd646309..0f3f0362 100644
--- a/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-panel/recipe.toml
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-panel/recipe.toml
@@ -1,6 +1,7 @@
 [source]
 tar = "https://archive.xfce.org/src/xfce/xfce4-panel/4.21/xfce4-panel-4.21.0.tar.xz"
 blake3 = "59a8f55ba237a56ccd16869a28426fa3890c292164a4502dd07ddba45e0268ed"
+patches = ["redox.patch"]
 
 [build]
 dependencies = [
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-panel/redox.patch b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-panel/redox.patch
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..c5162fb7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-panel/redox.patch
@@ -0,0 +1,22 @@
+diff --color -ruwN source/panel/panel-module.h source-new/panel/panel-module.h
+--- source/panel/panel-module.h	2025-03-22 13:22:37.000000000 +0700
++++ source-new/panel/panel-module.h	2026-05-21 15:16:48.097953249 +0700
+@@ -23,6 +23,7 @@
+ #include "libxfce4panel/xfce-panel-plugin-provider.h"
+ 
+ #include <gtk/gtk.h>
++#include <strings.h>
+ 
+ G_BEGIN_DECLS
+ 
+diff --color -ruwN source/plugins/tasklist/tasklist-widget.h source-new/plugins/tasklist/tasklist-widget.h
+--- source/plugins/tasklist/tasklist-widget.h	2025-03-22 13:22:37.000000000 +0700
++++ source-new/plugins/tasklist/tasklist-widget.h	2026-05-21 15:17:12.117347685 +0700
+@@ -21,6 +21,7 @@
+ 
+ #include "libxfce4panel/libxfce4panel.h"
+ 
++#include <strings.h>
+ #include <gtk/gtk.h>
+ 
+ G_BEGIN_DECLS
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-session/recipe.toml b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-session/recipe.toml
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..f7f2ef95
--- /dev/null
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-session/recipe.toml
@@ -0,0 +1,23 @@
+[source]
+tar = "https://archive.xfce.org/src/xfce/xfce4-session/4.21/xfce4-session-4.21.1.tar.xz"
+patches = [ "redox.patch" ]
+[build]
+dependencies = [
+    "atk",
+    "cairo",
+    "gdk-pixbuf",
+    "glib",
+    "gtk3",
+    "libice",
+    "libsm",
+    "libwnck3",
+    "libx11",
+    "libxfce4ui",
+    "libxfce4util",
+    "libxfce4windowing",
+    "pango",
+    "xfconf",
+]
+template = "meson"
+mesonflags = [
+]
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-session/redox.patch b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-session/redox.patch
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..c0d53cd0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-session/redox.patch
@@ -0,0 +1,35 @@
+diff --color -ruwN source/meson.build source-new/meson.build
+--- source/meson.build	2025-12-29 23:51:03.000000000 +0700
++++ source-new/meson.build	2026-05-21 21:53:44.879480320 +0700
+@@ -47,8 +47,6 @@
+ libxfce4windowing = dependency('libxfce4windowing-0', version: dependency_versions['libxfce4windowing'])
+ xfconf = dependency('libxfconf-0', version: dependency_versions['xfce4'])
+ 
+-gdk_pixbuf_csource = find_program(gdk_pixbuf.get_variable(pkgconfig: 'gdk_pixbuf_csource'), required: true)
+-
+ # Feature: 'x11'
+ x11_deps = []
+ x11_deps += dependency('gdk-x11-3.0', version: dependency_versions['gtk'], required: get_option('x11'))
+diff --color -ruwN source/xfce4-session/meson.build source-new/xfce4-session/meson.build
+--- source/xfce4-session/meson.build	2025-12-29 23:51:03.000000000 +0700
++++ source-new/xfce4-session/meson.build	2026-05-21 21:53:55.246584551 +0700
+@@ -89,7 +89,7 @@
+   'xfsm-chooser-icon.h',
+   input: 'xfsm-chooser-icon.png',
+   output: 'xfsm-chooser-icon.h',
+-  command: [gdk_pixbuf_csource, '--static', '--raw', '--stream', '--name=xfsm_chooser_icon_data', '@INPUT@'],
++  command: ['gdk-pixbuf-csource', '--static', '--raw', '--stream', '--name=xfsm_chooser_icon_data', '@INPUT@'],
+   capture: true,
+ )
+ 
+diff --color -ruwN source/xfce4-session/xfsm-manager.h source-new/xfce4-session/xfsm-manager.h
+--- source/xfce4-session/xfsm-manager.h	2025-12-29 23:51:03.000000000 +0700
++++ source-new/xfce4-session/xfsm-manager.h	2026-05-21 21:54:38.971024148 +0700
+@@ -26,6 +26,7 @@
+ #include <glib-object.h>
+ #include <libxfce4util/libxfce4util.h>
+ #include <xfconf/xfconf.h>
++#include <strings.h>
+ 
+ #include "xfsm-client.h"
+ #include "xfsm-global.h"
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-settings/recipe.toml b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-settings/recipe.toml
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..31ee60bb
--- /dev/null
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfce4-settings/recipe.toml
@@ -0,0 +1,25 @@
+
+[source]
+tar = "https://archive.xfce.org/src/xfce/xfce4-settings/4.21/xfce4-settings-4.21.1.tar.xz"
+[build]
+dependencies = [
+    "atk",
+    "cairo",
+    "gdk-pixbuf",
+    "glib",
+    "gtk3",
+    "libice",
+    "libsm",
+    "libwnck3",
+    "libx11",
+    "libxfce4ui",
+    "libxfce4util",
+    "libxfce4windowing",
+    "pango",
+    "garcon",
+    "xfconf",
+]
+template = "meson"
+mesonflags = [
+    "-Dwayland=disabled"
+]
diff --git a/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfdesktop/recipe.toml b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfdesktop/recipe.toml
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..0cf12b6f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/recipes/wip/x11/xfce4/xfdesktop/recipe.toml
@@ -0,0 +1,53 @@
+[source]
+tar = "https://archive.xfce.org/src/xfce/xfdesktop/4.20/xfdesktop-4.20.2.tar.bz2"
+[build]
+dependencies = [
+    "atk",
+    "cairo",
+    "expat",
+    "fontconfig",
+    "freetype2",
+    "fribidi",
+    "garcon",
+    "gdk-pixbuf",
+    "gettext",
+    "glib",
+    "gtk3",
+    "harfbuzz",
+    "libepoxy",
+    "libffi",
+    "libiconv",
+    "libjpeg",
+    "libpng",
+    "libpthread-stubs",
+    "libsm",
+    "libnotify",
+    "libwnck3",
+    "libx11",
+    "libxau",
+    "libxcb",
+    "libxext",
+    "libxfce4ui",
+    "libxfce4util",
+    "libxfce4windowing",
+    "libxfixes",
+    "libxft",
+    "libxi",
+    "libxrandr",
+    "libxrender",
+    "libxxf86vm",
+    "mesa-x11",
+    "pango",
+    "pcre2",
+    "pixman",
+    "shared-mime-info",
+    "x11proto",
+    "vte",
+    "xfconf",
+    "zlib",
+    "libexo",
+    "libyaml",
+]
+template = "meson"
+mesonflags = [
+]